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Luffy at his true peak will be stronger than joy boy, luffy's haki, and devil fruit powers will have to be better and stronger than the original joy boy, because the original joy boy couldn't beat imu back then even with the powerful haki he had.

That is why I keep saying that shanks isn't the strongest at all, it's luffy who is the strongest and will end up having haki that's massively powerful by the time he goes to fight imu. It's the only thing that even makes sense considering the original joy boys haki was so powerful it sent the elders back to there human forms, but yet it wasn't strong enough for joy boy to beat imu, so it makes sense that luffy possesses haki that is stronger than anyone else's, otherwise how would he be able to beat imu?

Also I think everyone keeps forgetting the only reason harled was stronger than them is because imu had used his df on him which gives the person a massive power up, the only reason why Loki was able to kill his dad is because his dad snapped out of it long enough to tell Loki to grab the dog and use it to kill me. So how can anyone think that Loki was stronger then harled? I mean gol Roger got killed by two guards that probably didn't have haki at all, because roger let them kill him. You can't say someone is stronger because they killed someone that allowed them to kill them. That is like saying those guards were more powerful than gol d roger, because they killed him. That just doesn't make any sense.

Why do you think I've been saying that shanks isn't the strongest, I mean luffy has a god df, and he will master haki. So it stands to reason that Luffy is the strongest. Even if the story hasn't shown it yet, he is the main character and the one who has a df so powerful that imu is scared of It. I bet luffy's df is more powerful than even luffy knows yet.

Also from what I know only rocks on his crew at that time could use the advanced conquer's haki. So with roger having 3 people that could do it. I don't think rocks would have stood a chance. Everyone is forgetting how the story says that when imu possess someone that they get even more powerful then what they were before hand. So I think the only reason why garp teamed up with Roger is because of that.

Your wrong, I think gold Roger's crew was stronger. I mean the only reason why garp and roger had to team up to take down rocks was because rocks had gotten the power up from being possessed by imu.

If he hadn't gotten that, I think roger could have beaten him without garp.